tv Matter of Fact With Soledad O Brien KOFY July 16, 2017 7:30pm-8:00pm PDT
>> right now on "matter -- a key architect of obamaca says he's been to the white house to talk about fixes. >> 84% of all health care costs are for people with chronic illness. >> will his provocative prescription for cutting costs really work? you decide. plus, the ku klux klan came to his town and clashed with protestors over confederate symbols, then trolled the mayor in tweets. >> the only victory a troll has is pulling you down. >> has this southern mayor found a civil solution or set off another civil war? and, who should get credit for inventing the all american sport? a civil war hero? or a cricketer? why major league baseball's official historian says history ran afoul?
soledad: i'm soledad o'brien. welcome to "matter of fact." while the health care debate has been divisive to say the least -- the american public is pretty clear on what they'd like to see. a little unity. a new kaiser family foundation poll shows 71% of the public want a bi- partisan solution to that break down includes 41% of, and 72% of independents. hope of a gop only bill is fading away despite the efforts of senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell. showing his frustration, mcconnell delayed the start of the august recess by two weeks in hopes of getting to a cons >> we simply, as a result of all this obstructionism, don't have enough time to address all of these issues between now and the originally anticipated august recess.
soledad: ezekiel emanuel, an architect of the affordable care act, says the law needs an upgrade, but not a repeal-and-replace. dr. emanuel outlines his ideas in his book, "prescription for the future." thanks for joining us. you have been in meetings at the white house while the house was working on its healthcare bill. describe for me a little bit about what those meetings were like. dr. emanuel: well, we were discussing the substance of healthcare and whether the republican proposals which have stayed largely the same, despite some tweaks, were a good idea, or not a good idea, or what the alternatives might the viable. soledad: so were those contentiou? were those ideas good ideas from your perspective? dr. emanuel: i have been on the record saying that i don't thk the republican proposals -- first of all, they are not bipartisan and they had criticized the democrats for not being bipartisan. now they have actually taken being partisan a whole other step forward. they haven't even talked to t
democrats whereas the democrats talked to them and i find the republican proposals actually anytime you are thinking throwing 22, 24 million people off health insurance, not something very appealing. most importantly as i pointed out in the book there is no proposal or no idea in their proposals to actually control healthcare costs. this moment in american history is about affordability of the health care system. and the republican proposals don't improve affordability. what i discuss in the book is we need to think through how to actually reduce healthcare costs, because that is the only way on a long term basis to make healthcare affordable and then i outline different ways that that is possible. soledad: let's talk about some of those different ways and the overall philosophy. how do you reduce healthcare costs under what already exists in the aca or obamacare? dr. emanuel: first we need to remember that 84% of all
healthcare spending is for people with chronic illness people with heart disease, , cancer, emphysema, asthma, diabetes. we need to focus on those patients. second you need to doctors and hospitals differently to keep those patients healthy, to not wait for them to show up at the office sick but to actually reach out to them and keep them healthy. soledad: so what changes would you then specifically make to the market places, etc., etc? dr. emanuel: so there i would say are four or five major changes that we could do that would stabilize the marketplace and make them much more thriving. the first one is that we have to announce that we will actually give cost sharing subsidies. these are subsidies to people who are relatively from average income and below to help pay their deductibles and help pay their co-pays. insurance companies are worried that government will not pay that bill and they are going to be stuck with it. second, we have to get this reinsurance.
so if insurance companies enroll a lot of sick people, they are actually compensated for that and that was in the bill, in the aca and sen. marco rubio and senate republicans stripped it out. third we have to announce that we will enforce the mandate. it is the law of the land, republicans should be enforcing the law of the land and that will get more people into the marketplaces. fourth, we can incentivize insurance companies to go into those counties that don't have lot of insurance companies. and last, advertising targeted at young people to tell them healthcare is available, it is cheap, and there is a mandate and you will pay a penalty if you don't have it. ask health policy experts who are conservative they agree these are the changes we need and they would do a huge positive job. they would stabilize the markets and make sure that they are thriving. soledad: so you are hopeful. dr. emanuel: o that makes me an optimist is if you go around this country, there is a lot of innovation, a lot of entrepreneurial spirit and you can see a lot of these
improvements on the ground making a big difference. what we need to do over the next decade or so is more rapidly change how we pay doctors and hospitals and let these experiments that have sprouted up around the country really blossom and spread and i think that is the key, again my book is a small attempt to take that and show people so they can adopt these kinds of changes. soledad: dr. ezekiel emanuel, nice to have dr emanuel: great to be here. thank you very much. >> next on matter of fact are we jumping to conclusions? >> i don't think there is slam dunk evidence at this point. >> what do we really know about whether donald trump jr. br and later, what happened when the presidential commission on election integrity asked every state for their voter registration records? >> they can go jump in the gulf of mexico. >> find out why so many states are saying no.
white house that was supposed to be focused on health care. instead it's all about russia and russian meddling in the 2016 election. the president's son, donald trump jr. is now squarely in the middle of the controversy -- having released emails about a meeting he had in june of 2016 with a russian lawyer offering incriminating information on hillary clinton. trump junior pushed out the emails in a series of tweets shortly before the new york times was ready to make them public. in the wake of the revelations, legal experts have been weighing on treason, conspiracy, and collusion. what do those words mean and do any of them apply to what we heard this week? here to wal legal jargon and the questions of law -- kathleen clark -- a law professor at washington university, specializing in government ethics, legal ethics, and campaign law. nice to have you.
ms. clark: thank you for having me. soledad: so everyone who ever wanted to be a lawyer, is a lawyer or wants to talk about the law has been digging into all the nuance of this case especially around the release of emails. the words they are using are words like collusion, treason and conspiracy. so i would like to start there, just with definitions. what is the definition of collusion? ms. clark: collusion is not a legal term at all. we have been tossing around that term for months now and i think it is a useful summary of people or organizations working together toward a common goal. but that is not actually a legal term. there are other legal terms that are relevant here including conspiracy and aiding and abetting and these are terms that are relevant against the background of our campaign finance laws that prohibit foreigners from contributing, making contributions or providing anything of value to a
u.s. campaign. soledad: part of what seems to play a role is the role of solicitation. when donald junior responded "i love it" to what was being pitched to him by the publicist and there're may have been a phone call or not, it is hard to tell at this moment. does that count as solicitation? ms. clark: so solicitation does not require any kind of magic words to be said. i think that the email exchange is suggestive that there may have been solicitation. i don't think there is slam dk evidence at this point that donald trump junior engaged in solicitation, i think of the meeting as evidence. the fact that they agreed to go to the meeting and the info that they had about the meeting, what the purpose of the meeting was, as possible evidence that they were facilitating a foreign provision of something of value
to the campaign. but i wouldn't call their participation in the meeting illegal as such or a crime as such. there is not a prohibition on americans meeting with russians or any foreigners. so if president donald trump had been part of an agreement, if he agreed to take action to further the russians' provision of something of value to the campaign then he himself could , face criminal liability for a conspiracy to violate us election law. soledad: can you prosecute a sitting president? >> well the justice department asserts that you can't, but i question. as a practical matter, however. it seems unlikely that attorney general sessions would want to be any part of that, but of
course he has said he would recuse from the russian investigation so it may not be up to him. instead it would be presumably up to special counsel mueller, but the regulation under which he was appointed requires him to abide by justice department policies and while i believe it may be possible to indict a president i don't think this justice department is going to do it. soledad: nice to have you talking with us kathleen clark , thank you so much. >> next on matter of fact were the leaders of the confederacy hero? >> it's just history, we can't turn it around. >> should confederacy take down their famous statues? and later, love a day at the ballpark? live for the 7th inning stretch? we've got the hits, runs, and errors of baseball history. and a major league mistake made right.
take a look at the tree-lined mall where towering statues of civil war heroes robert e. lee, jefferson davis, and stonewall jackson stand prominently in the medians. the inscriptions on the monuments are a testament to white supremacy. the mayor of richmond, levar stoney, thinks the towering monuments in virginia's capital city -- and the former capital of confederacy -- should not be taken down. instead, he says they need additional historical context. so he's appointed a commission of historians, authors and community leaders, who have to figure out how to set the historical record straight. some residents say the statues should stand as they are. >> richmond is full of history and it is another part of history in representing history. soledad: others want them removed. >> when i look at the statues i feel unwanted, i don't feel a part of this world. soledad: councilwoman kim gray' district includes monument avenue. as a member of the c
she hopes to find the middle . >> i would like it to be the catalyst for a broader discussion on things that we need to accomplish to rectify some of the legacy of slavery and the confederate legacy to try to improve the conditions of modern day minorities in the city. soledad: about an hour from richmond, is charlottesville, virginia, a college town. last weekend it found itself in the center of a rally by the kkk and counter protests. 50 members of the loyal white knights of the ku klux klan, assembled at the park under the statue of robert e. lee. two hundred times that n more than one thousand people -- turned out in opposition to the klan. including 23 people who were arrested when they refused police orders to disperse. what brought them to charlottesville? a debate of over what to do with the confederate statues and the parks that are named for them.
charlottesville mayor, michael signer, has said he doesn't wan to take the statues down. he is joining us today. nice i was surprised to read that your reaction is that you want to keep the statues. often when the kkk comes to protest over statues, the city mayor will say let's take the why was this your position sir? mayor signer: there was a protest that kicked this off that was about one of these statues one to robert e. lee. my ins was that we needed to cast the problem more broadly and talk about race in our public spaces. we created a blue-ribbon commission that was charged with changing the narrative by telling the full story of race in charlottesville through our public spaces. incredibly dif do. we've got dozens of landmarks that touch on race in one way or another including things we needed to do that that we haven't been doing. there were 17 public hearings held by this 9- member commission which at the outset was majority african american.
on the statue issue they surprised a lot of people by recommending that no matter what we keep the statues within the city limits of charlottesville. one of the parts of the reports said that numerous african americans who came and testified to the committee and testified to the committee said they didn't want the past kind of expunged or removed precisely so that we could learn from it. soledad: the challenge i guess for many people is a monument isn't hey this history exists, the monument is exalting essentially white supremacy and people who were trying to overthrow the u.s. government at a time as heroes full of valora. mayor signer: it is not a problem where there is a simple yes or no, toggle up or down, single rifle shot answer. we ended up adopting a set of kind of takes on the problem. for instance, we renamed the
parks recently, which was a big deal. the lee park now is named justice- emancipation park. the park with the stonewall jackson statue is now named justice park. so the difficult things today are where leadership counts and where a thoughtful fair approach that tries to come to an answer on these incredibly difficult questions is necessary. so in a way it has been a gift to the city to have this difficult problem thrust on this us. soledad: mr. mayor, thank you so much for your time, we appreciate it. mayor signer: thanks. >> the president says voter fraud is everywhere. >> we ha box safe from illegal voting. >> is there any real evidence? and later -- think you know all the big names ruth. dimaggio. robinson. clemente. how about john thorn? meet the man who keeps score on major league history.
soledad: in stories we're paying attention to even if you're t busy, the presidential commission on election integrity holds its first meeting on we chaired by vice president pence and kansas secretary of state kris kobach, the commission is spending a year looking into what they call vulnerabilities in the voting systems for federal elections. the commission asked every state to provide voter names, dates of birth, portions of social security numbers, voting histories and party affiliations as part of the broad inquiry into possible voter fraud. over 40 states have declined the request with state officials weighing in, including the republican secretary of state for mississippi. he released that if asked, his reply would be, they can go jump in the gulf of mexico. multiple studies conducted on
voter fraud -- including a pew study from 2012 cited by the president, acknowledge inaccuracies on voter registration rolls. but all conclude there is zero evidence of voter fraud. the far bigger problem? only 55% of voting age citizens cast a president ballot in 2016. the lowest percent in two de when we return little leaguers learn the rules. about foul balls, 3 strikes, and tagging the bases. who wrote the rulebook for the boys -- and girls -- of summer?
soledad: summertime is all about enjoying our national pastime. watching the boys of summer and their rivalries played out on the baseball diamond. what a surprise to learn everything you thought you knew about the origins of baseball simply aren't true. the story goes like this: abner doubleday, a civil war hero,
invented baseball. it started in 1839 when doubleday, a young school boy, took a stick and drew a diagram in the dust for a game with a diamond-shaped field, a stick, a ball, and a set of bases. but john thorn, the author of baseball in in the garden of eden, and major league baseball's official historian, says that's a pure fiction. he says baseball began as town ball in 1750s with clubs playing the cricket-like "town ball" in new york, philadelphia, and in september of 1845, the new york knickerbocker club rules which included the foul lines, the three strike rule, and the requirement that players run on the base line path in order to score were adopted as the national standard. thorn also says baseball might never have become our national past-time without one crucial thing -- money. when gamblers figured out how to make side bets on the innings and box scores -- the stakes went up, right along with public